Perfect Victory! 👍 (read Left To Right)

aged-up byler x skam france ? (thats what this is from right? i havent actually seen it)

time: 6h 8m

Hi. I am/was a mileven defender until I saw that scene in the van and Mike's copy pasted monologue that felt like it wasn't even meant for El but for Will.

As a straight person, I don't think I can relate to a queer person's frustration or anger over Season 4 even if I tried.

And I'm sorry but that's why it's hard for me to understand why you guys have given up on your ship when it's obvious that my people are the ones that should be getting prepared for a massive straight bait.

I hate to even think about it and it saddens me to the core but Mike is clearly projecting. He doesn't feel about El the way he feels about Will and it shows. I think El truly loves Mike tho so it's even more frustrating to me.

I wanted mileven to work so badly and I still do but given Mike's strange behavior and the way Will and Mike look at each other and the way they stand side by side between two other canon ships in the final scene and actually all their scenes together, it's hard to not to believe that your ship is the one they're going for.

I guess it's a good thing that they are planning on making the gay ship endgame. I know you guys need some decent representation and I'm sorry about the people that are mocking you for it on Twitter or in real life. All of that doesn't mean I suddenly started shipping them tho. I'm still clinging on to mileven. Probably forever.

I just wanted to acknowledge that I think it's weird that many of you have lost hope. But again, I can't really relate to the things queer people are experiencing and going through on a daily basis so I want to apologize if anything I just said was insensitive.

hello!

This was really interesting to read, thank you so much for sharing, genuinely! I hadn’t thought about it from this perspective before because i’ve mostly seen mike/el fans only celebrating after s4, and i’ve gotten several rude messages since vol. 2’s release over me being delusional and crazy for thinking byler would ever happen. It’s super interesting we are both doubting our ships and convinced the other will now be canon after s4… and I find it really fascinating that as a mileven shipper you thought Mike’s speech to El sounded like it was meant for Will…

I still have faith that byler could happen, and the ending shots really make me think it will, but i’m worried that they won’t be able to fix the damage they did to it in s4 fully, in s5, because I thought the writing in s4 was very different than what we have previously seen in the show, and so many characters didn’t get the development i thought they deserved. Regardless of whose ship ends up being endgame, I just hope that they fix it and actually resolve something in s5 so it ends on a healthy note for the couple. I believe everyone should ship whoever they want, so its totally fine by me if you don’t ship byler. Also, thank you <3 It definitley sucks to be mocked by so many people rn LOL.

I hope you’re well! xx

Watch this interview RIGHT NOW!! At some point the interviewer mentions to Finn and Charlie how their characters are kind of in the same situation but they both deal with it very differently (I assume she’s talking about long distance relationships) Then Finn, Charlie and Eduardo joke about how the Duffers never wrote a scene where Mike and Jonathan talk about their girlfriends lol. But then it gets REALLY interesting. Finn starts answering seriously and completely derails the question from Mileven to talking about relationships in GENERAL (A thing I’ve noticed Finn has been doing a lot in interviews) and he says that Mike is very much in his own head and that he cares a lot but it’s a bit socially inept. Now why the fuck would this be about Mileven?? They’re literally constantly making out in S3, they technically confessed their love for each other and they’ve been constantly writing letters to each other and he shows up at the airport with flowers. So you may be wondering…which relationships is he talking about? Well then Finn proceeds to say that for Mike is very hard to talk about how he feels for someone and then his brain immediately makes the connection to say “I think Will, or Noah, has a line this season that’s basically saying sometimes it’s hard to be vulnerable with someone or tell them what you really think” and Finn continues to say that this is something that really psychs Mike out. I mean…the fucking question was about Mileven and this dude is out here reciting Will’s line 😂💀. Then he goes on to say that the way he loves people is by trying to save their lives basically….I mean do I need to say more? I think a lot of this can apply to multiple relationships of his like El, his mom, his other friends but if you don’t think this motherfucker slipped up here and went full Byler I don’t know what to tell you…We’re in for something!

Happy birthday Robert Downey Jr!!🎂🎉🥳

R.D.J

I love him so much.❤️

04-04-1965

I wrote it with an ice crystal hanging under the car. 😅❄️

bugs when you lift up their rock

Ok This may be something that can give us bylers a little more hope. 💙💛 Sorry it’s long😅

Ok I haven’t seen anyone mention this, I looked on tumblr and Instagram but I couldn’t find anyone at least comment about it and I’m not sure if it’s because they noticed it but thought nothing of it because the last episode had many things that definitely made people lose hope or because the episode was too distracting but in Volume 2 episode 9 starting at 1:50:48 it shows Hawkins high school being looked at from a window in the van then the camera goes to Will who is looking straight ahead and at first Will is the focus while Mike is sitting directly behind him who is out of focus but then as the camera keeps moving towards the left Will starts to get out of focus while Mike starts to become more focused on. But the thing is, this scene focused on Mike the most and what he was looking at and that was Will. They intentionally had Mike staring at Will but for what reason, Mikes expression low-key looks concerned, sad or guilty honestly with Mike you never know but the point is Mike was intentionally staring at Will the same way Will has been staring at Mike this entire season. Proof they wanted us to think he was staring at Will is because if you watch the scenes before this whenever it showed the characters looking at the destruction they always looked outside the windows on the sides they never looked directly in front and another thing is, it wouldn’t make sense to have Mike look directly in front if it wasn’t to have him stare at Will because after this short byler scene it cuts to Jonathan and as you can see there is no reason for Mike to be looking directly in front if his intention was to look outside because it would be hard for him to see. So the Point is he was staring at Will and they wanted us to notice it for some reason. — I find it kinda funny that this was one of the fake spoilers that came true same with Max’s coma and The monologue. It says Mike said I Love you to El but it also says he gives a look to Will in the Van signifying there’s something more there. —If byler truly had no chance I think we shouldn’t have even gotten any crumbs in this volume but we did and the fact that monologue didn’t feel 100% genuine and that they only got together thanks to Wills help something is definitely up especially since other people are starting to realize something was off with Mike this season who aren’t just byler shippers and the way they were paired up at the end I mean idk but this Van scene was just something I noticed and wanted other byler shippers to talk about and to hopefully bring some hope back. Hope you have a good day and that this made some sense,😅 I’d love to hear your thoughts about it. I can’t stop watching this scene it’s so short but it feels like it speaks volumes.

hello!

This is a super well-thought-out analysis!! I agree with everything you said and all the points you made!! I really enjoyed reading this, thanks for sharing!!

hope you're well! xx

reblog this and put in the tags ur first anime u watched i’m v curious abt ppls first animes bc i saw a post with smthn abt this earlier

Nobody asked.. but this is my fav byler edit, just wanted to share😊