this is coming from a Wonder Woman fan, a Superman fan, a Batman fan, a SuperWonder fan and a Clois fan.
you only want the best for Diana, and so do we. And the best is Superman. Not Batman, not Steve trevor, or anyone else. just Superman. Clark for Diana and Bruce for Selena. And how about we have Lois and Steve be put together? Lois’ dad is a general. Steve does some army work and ARGUS/government stuff.
we don’t want to Clark to overshadow Diana. But If you pair her up with Batman, then you know how it will be—-DC will just make Diana the property of Batman because Batman is more popular than Wondy, so people only recognize her as “Batman‘s girlfriend” and nothing more. Superman and Wonder Woman used to call out Batman for his bat$hit but nowadays they just tolerate everything he says because he’s Batman.
DC already massacred Superman’s character. He used to be the leader of the Justice league in the 80s right before he died, but then after Bruce Timm showed up, the DCU became the BCU (Batman Centered Universe)
post Bruce Timm and Frank Miller (no hate on them but stop pandering) Superman became all brawn and not brain, all other heroes’ IQ’s are reduced whenever they’re in a 10 foot radius of Batman, and all the ladies gave their attention to Batman—Including our girl Diana, who is completely out of character in the DCAU Justice League cartoons. she is NOT desperate for any man’s attention in the comics.
tell me, ladies and gentlemen, would you want Diana—-a self respecting Amazon—-to be with Batman?
Batman—-the guy who talks down to his teammates and always acts like he’s better than everyone, is ready to take you and your friends down in a heartbeat but is unwilling to end those who have no interest in repenting (jonkler), doesn’t trust you, and treats everyone like his pawn?
Yeah… exactly… don’t be blinded by the cool gadgets and the dark mysterious aura and the fact that he gets girls (they only want him for his looks and money. They don’t actually love him. Matthew 5:28.)
people always make this lame excuse that DC puts them together because of their similar powers, costumes, and popularity.
If you can’t see Supes and Wondy past their powers, then you’re just like Lex Luthor and Steve Trevor. They only saw them for their powers and costumes as many others do.
“They aren’t people at all. They are power. Unpredictable, horrendous power, and nothing more.” -Lex Luthor, Superman/Wonder Woman #5
“I realize that the two of you were meant for each other. Matching costumes. Matching cost powers. Felt like fate. And as weird as it might sound, I found that comforting. You made each other happy.” -Steve Trevor, Superman #48
Fans also say that Wonder Woman and Superman need a human love interest (Batman or Steve) to “ground them.”
Lois GROUNDS Superman? Steve GROUNDS Wonder Woman?
Isn’t the human thing to “love and be loved? To serve God and serve others?” Regardless of color, origin, and background?
Would that not apply to both Supes and Wondy too? They were loved by their parents, loved the people around them, were hurt and bullied, learned to find their place in the world, and were taught by their parents to love the people they shared this messed up rock with and to help others. And this was BEFORE Lois and Steve.
Supes and Wondy are each other’s equals—-emotionally, physically, mentally, spiritually. They know what it’s like to live in a world made of cardboard.
But they also share the same goals and optimism—to better the world and end crime and all that through love and compassion. Not Arkham-style beatdowns.
Even the creators for Superman (Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster) and Wonder Woman (William Marston) said that they’re perfect for each other. Supes’ creators even said that Lois was never supposed to end up with Superman.
Also, modern steve and Lois is literally everything what Diana and Clark were back in the OG comics. Diana wants Kal, Clark, and Superman, and Clark wants Wonder Woman and Diana.
In the older comics, Clark and Diana were the butt the joke in their own comics (nothing changed now)—-their love interests only wanted their superhero identities. Then DC gave their dynamics to Lois and Steve for whatever reason.
Besides, Lois literally flirted with other men (yes, Batman included. See Batman: Hush) and made Clark jealous…in front of Superman. She even cheated on Superman with Jeb Friedman WHILE SHE WAS ENGAGED. Is that what you want for our boy in blue?
how about we have Lois and Steve be put together? Lois’ dad is a general. Steve does some army work and ARGUS/government stuff.
I hope you can see things from our perspective. We love Superman, Wonder Woman, and Superman and Wonder Woman.
thanks for reading. God bless and happy SuperWonder shipping!
P.S. (This is coming from a formerly bi person, not important in this context):Also, i don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested. I also found ways to combat lust, if anyone is interested. (I’m talking archaeological evidence, miracles caught live, arguments against evolution, divine revelation, science, cosmology, fulfilled prophecy, evidence for the Bible outside of the Bible, God’s work in people’s lives, etc.)
This is coming from a conservative-ish, brown, formerly bi person (I’m 19 M at the time I posted this. 2/26/2025)
I say this out of love, not out of hate.
you’re not a devil. You’re a child of the Most High.
Now for the tough love. Again, I do not say this out of hate. Everyone (straight and LBGT alike) is my brother and sister and nothing less.
Don’t listen to these people who say it’s okay to be part of the LGBT community. I don’t want to come off rude, but I have to tell you bluntly and straight to the point. (If I come off derogatory, please know that wasn’t my intention. So sorry if I do).
Simply ask and beg God to get this out of your system. If it doesn’t go away, God can help you fight it for you (I have ways to combat lust. Hit me up)
it’s one thing to be tempted, another to act on it.
you get an urge to kill someone, but you don’t do it. Does that make you a murderer? No! But resolve everything with love and peace.
“seek peace and pursue it.” -Psalm 34
Remember it was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve nor Adriana and Eve. Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9, 1 Timothy 1:10 even speak about this. Again, this is coming from a guy who WAS bi (kinda). it’s one thing to be tempted, another to act on it.
Many have said that God delivered them from homosexuality and they now have a wonderful family married to the wife (if a male) or husband (if a female) of their dreams.
Research shows that conservative, heterosexual women had a happy marriage.
Research shows that lesbian couples got divorced in later stages in life.
Research shows that TRUE Christian men (not the fake ahh ones) who go to church three times a month were reported to be more gentle and respectful to their woman.
If they are vibing with God like how I spoke, you can too, my friend. Hope this helps, my friend.
Ayo, i don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested. I also found ways to combat lust, if anyone is interested. (I’m talking archaeological evidence, miracles caught live, arguments against evolution, divine revelation, science, cosmology, fulfilled prophecy, evidence for the Bible outside of the Bible, God’s work in people’s lives, etc.)
Superman (when put next to Batman) power scaling be like:
✨the plot thickens✨
EDIT: Ayo DC, stop being lazy and write Superman well!! Make Superman Super Again! Superman was holding back whenever he fights Batman! He was just trying to keep Bruce from hurting himself or others in TDKR
he said “if I wanted it, you’d be dead already!” In BVS!
And stop with the Clois and WonderBat stuff! Supes is held back by Lois and Wonder Woman would NEVER go for Batman. Put SuperWonder back on! (We don’t want Supes and Wondy to overshadow each other. Supes’ creators even said LL wasn’t supposed to end up with Supes!)
She’s the spirit of truth. He’s the spirit of lies and deception. He talks down to everyone and is willing to take you and your friends down in a heartbeat yet won’t stop those who have no interest in repentance! Even Bruce Timm said he didn’t know what to do with WW so he decided for all women to go after Batman!
Remind me why the non-people person is the one leading the JL? Supes and Wondy have proven to lead well. Superman even led the JL before he died! Come on now! It’s called the DCU! Not the BCU (Batman Centered Universe)! look, I love Batman, by stop making him overshadow everyone! Blue beetle, booster gold, animal man, swamp thing, flash, green lantern, and countless others could be household names like the big 3 if DC is willing to make it so.
look at marvel! So many people know so many different heroes from their cast. They write them well, made modern modifications to make it appeal to the 21 century, and now everyone knows who the Avengers, defenders, guardians of the galaxy, Illuminati, X-Men are!
okay so I realize I went on a rant, but shut up.
point is, make Superman Super again! And all other Superheroes again! And bring back SuperWonder
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well said. Or… “‘nuff said.” -Stan Lee.
This is coming from someone who loves Batman and probably read more comics than the “average Batfan.”
Guys, would you want Diana—-a self respecting Amazon—-to be with Batman?
Batman—-the guy who talks down to his teammates and always acts like he’s better than everyone, is ready to take you and your friends down in a heartbeat but is unwilling to take down those who have no interest in repenting (jonkler), doesn’t trust you, and treats everyone like his pawn?
Yeah… exactly… don’t be blinded by the cool gadgets and the dark mysterious aura and the fact that he gets girls (they only want him for his looks and money. They don’t actually love him. Matthew 5:28.)
The DCAU just has Bruce Timm’s idol “Batgod” get all the ladies’ attention. Wonder Woman in that show is NOT the one we see in the comics. She is NOT desperate for Batman’s attention like she was in the show.
In the comics, she even expressed her love and desire for Superman (Wonder Woman #141, Action Comics #818, Superman 80-Page Giant #2, She even had a statue of her and Superman kissing in the Wonderdome (look up the Wonderdome on the wiki page. https://casscain.fandom.com/wiki/Wonderdome)
Even many WW fans said that Batman is NOT the man for Wonder Woman.
Besides, Batman is way more popular than Wonder Woman. She’ll always be reduced to “Batman’s girlfriend”. She gains nothing from Batman, but Batman will always dominate any appearance he makes.
People always talk about what Batman gains, but what about Diana? She’ll just be Bat’s property. They already made Superman Batman’s errand boy. Remember when Superman led the Justice League? Yeah. Exactly. A long time ago.
Average Batman and Wonder Woman interaction if they were married:
“Hey Bruce, can we go to—-“
“No Diana. I’m busy.” (Or he’ll just ignore her.)
Superman and Wonder Woman are where it’s at. Superman and Wonder Woman are each other’s equals in every sense. They’re each other’s best friends.
If you can’t see Supes and Wondy past their powers, then you’re just like Lex Luthor. He only saw them for their powers as many others do.
“They aren’t people at all. They are power. Unpredictable, horrendous power, and nothing more.” -Lex Luthor, Superman/Wonder Woman #5
Even the creators for Superman (Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster) said that Lois was never supposed to end up with Superman.
Lois literally flirted with other men and made Clark jealous. in front of Superman. She even cheated on Superman with Jeb Friedman WHILE SHE WAS ENGAGED. Is that what you want for our boy in blue?
how about we have Lois and Steve be put together? Lois’ dad is a general. Steve does some army work and ARGUS/government stuff.
And as for Batman: BatCat all the way.
Batman sees not all criminals are evil—-just hurting. “Hurt people hurt people”
And Catwoman learns not all rich people are evil. There are good people out there
both of them are loners who learn how to trust each other. (Batman: Hush. The issue where Batman fights Superman.)
(This is coming from a formerly bi person, not important in this context): Also, i don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested. I also found ways to combat lust, if anyone is interested. (I’m talking archaeological evidence, miracles caught live, arguments against evolution, divine revelation, science, cosmology, fulfilled prophecy, evidence for the Bible outside of the Bible, God’s work in people’s lives, etc.)
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Time to break down the BvS fight in TDKR (the Dark Knight Returns) and also the film BvS (Batman v Superman).
in TDKR, Superman was just trying to reason with Batman. He wasn’t out for blood. He was just trying to confront him like a parent to his or her child. That’s all it was. Stop blowing it out of proportion. (Another tumblr user came up with this analogy. It’s not mine.)
and in BvS, same thing. Clark was trying to reason with a bloodthirsty Batman. Superman needed help finding Clark’s mom—Martha. (He could have just used his super hearing to listen for her heartbeat.) stop blowing things out of proportion.
“If I wanted it, you’d be dead already!” -Superman to Batman
In Batman: Hush, Bats even said that Superman could take him down with his superspeed. But Clark was holding back. And Clark is more than just fists.
Clark has alien technology that is more advanced than earth and understands it. He led the JL before Bruce Timm showed up and forced a bunch of changes—-Batman, the self-righteous lone wolf as the leader of the JL (“I work alone.” Yet has the entire Batfam, GCPD, and Batman Inc.), an OOC Wonder Woman interested in Batman and a grumpy strong man for Superman.
(Also, (This is coming from a formerly bi person (not important in this context)): i don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested. I also found ways to combat lust, if anyone is interested. (I’m talking archaeological evidence, miracles caught live, arguments against evolution, divine revelation, science, cosmology, fulfilled prophecy, evidence for the Bible outside of the Bible, God’s work in people’s lives, etc.)
true story. Can confirm. I was there
Here’s a collection of some of the many images of things that never, ever happened in the DC universe:
Happy Easter!
This is coming from a formerly “bi” person: My friend, don’t do this. These men and women are just trying to get by. They don’t need anyone looking at them in a certain way. They just want to be loved, Not lusted after. Not looked at and used like a s3x toy and put away when not needed. They might be low on money, they could have been traumatized, they could be su!cidal, they could be selling their bodies unwillingly so they can get cash. Please. You don’t know what theyre going through.
protect and look after everyone as if they were your children. Care for them as you would your own spouse or closest/only friend. Love and look at them as if you had one hour left to be with them.
Cool story—many of these women are being tr@fficked and r@ped in YOU KNOW WHAT. these pictures aren’t consensual. Imagine if this happened to your wife, girlfriend, sister, mother, cousin, friend, grandmother, aunt, etc. them begging for their life while doing terrible nasty things.
these men and women are your brothers and sisters.
“That man sitting next to you, that’s your brother. That woman over there, that’s your sister.” -Stan Lee
Treat them as such. Besides, some of these people are taken. How would you like it if someone gave your girlfriend/wife or husband/boyfriend a certain look?
Proverbs 10:17–Whoever heeds instruction is on the path to life, but one who rejects a rebuke goes astray.
Just some love, life, and dating advice below:
(I don’t mean to force anything on you,) but ask God to send the right friends in your life and to remove the wrong ones for you. Same goes for your future wife or husband. Just pray, and wait. keep God first, as Billy Graham said.
Also, I have to inform you that you CANT divorce UNLESS you get cheated on, and you CANT get remarried after divorcing someone unless your divorced spouse dies. So make it count the first time. (Matt 5:32, Rom 7:1-3)
Look around you. People did things THEIR way and now people commend cheating (emotionally and physically), open relationships, and open marriages.
The real one won’t cheat on you and won’t want open relationships and open marriages. It’ll be magical—-your wife/husband will only want you and no one else. He/she will only want to be with you and know you while serving God with you. How cool is that?
After all, “The Blessing of the Lord brings wealth. He adds no painful toil to it.” -Prov 10:22
And “He who finds a wife finds what is good and receives favor from the Lord.” - prov 18:22
And “Houses and wealth are inherited from parents, but a prudent wife is from the Lord.” -Prov 19:14
Ayo, i don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested. I also found ways to combat lust, if anyone is interested. (I’m talking archaeological evidence, miracles caught live, arguments against evolution, divine revelation, science, cosmology, fulfilled prophecy, evidence for the Bible outside of the Bible, God’s work in people’s lives, etc.)
you’re more than a body.
This is coming from a formerly “bi” person: please don’t sell your body. (I don’t mean to force anything on you,) but Turn to Jesus and He’ll take care of you.
“For I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Marvelous are Your works. I know that full well.” -Psalm 139:14
You don’t need validation from other people. these people don’t care about you. They don’t care about your personality, what you like or dislike. What your favorite cereal and superheroes are. What your favorite movie genres and hobbies are. What your favorite music genres are. They just want to use you—-use your body as a pawn, a mere object, a mere sack of meat For their own gain. They don’t care for your well being.
please. Please don’t do this. Enjoy your wife (guys)/husband(ladies) for yourself. And your wife/husband should enjoy only you. This will lead to emotional cheating if this is not followed. It’s already physical cheating to an extent. And God made private parts private for a reason. (Exodus 20:26)
I’m gonna tell you what I tell the others. Hear me out.
(I don’t mean to force anything on you,) but ask God to send the right friends in your life and to remove the wrong ones for you. Same goes for your future husband/wife. Just pray and wait. keep God first as Billy Graham said.
Also, I have to inform you that you CANT divorce UNLESS you get cheated on, and you CANT get remarried after divorcing someone unless your divorced spouse dies. So make it count the first time. (Matt 5:32, Rom 7:1-3)
Look around you. People did things THEIR way and now people commend cheating (emotionally and physically), open relationships, and open marriages. (They ended up cheating/divorcing later on! Learn from them!)
The real one that God has for you won’t cheat on you and won’t want open relationships and open marriages. It’ll be magical—-your wife/husband will only want you and no one else. He/she will only want to be with you and know you while serving God with you. How cool is that?
After all, “The Blessing of the Lord brings wealth. He adds no painful toil to it.” -Prov 10:22
And “He who finds a wife finds what is good and receives favor from the Lord.” - prov 18:22
And “Houses and wealth are inherited from parents, but a prudent wife is from the Lord.” -Prov 19:14
all these men and women are your brothers and sisters.
“That man sitting next to you, that’s your brother. That woman over there, that’s your sister.” -Stan Lee
Treat them as such. Besides, some of these people are taken. How would you like it if someone gave your girlfriend/wife or husband/boyfriend a certain look?
Ayo, i don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested. I also found ways to combat lust, if anyone is interested. (I’m talking archaeological evidence, miracles caught live, arguments against evolution, divine revelation, science, cosmology, fulfilled prophecy, evidence for the Bible outside of the Bible, God’s work in people’s lives, etc.)
I’d also like to add these. some of these overlap with the other list above and some of my mentions are a bit of a stretch as they don't show Supes and Wondy together, but whatever. we'll milk our ship.
Superman: The Doomsday Wars #1
The Brave and the Bold #7
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New 52
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Action Comics #10
Superman #13 (their kiss in JL #12 is referenced), 14 (their kiss in JL #12 is seen), 15, 16, 17, 19 (you'll like this one), 43 (WW seen in a couple panels. SM and WW not seen together, though), 45 (WW alluded to. not seen)
Batman/Superman #4, 11 (Superman not present)
Superman Annual #3: Savage Dawn
Post New 52
Wonder Woman #3 (Superman mentioned), 7, 16 (Clark appears in back up story but SM and WW aren't seen together)
Future State: Immortal Wonder Woman #1
Action Comics #1000, 1018 (shared panel(s))
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Elseworlds
The Dark Knight Returns
The Dark Knight 3: The Master Race #4 (our boy and girl aren't seen together, but they appear in the comic)
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i'll add more when i get more comics lol. God bless and thanks for reading
Thanks to user Xarek at Comicbookresources, the list of moments for Superman/Wonder Woman has been further updated.
SUPERMAN / WONDER WOMAN RELATIONSHIP CHECKLIST 1.3 ————————————————– Action Comics 598, 600, 754, 761, 781. All-new Collector’s Edition: Superman vs Wonder Woman C-54 (1978) The Adventures of Superman (1988) 435,440,522,628,642,643. The Adventures of Superman Annual 06 Superman 80-page Giant 2 (1999). Superman Batman 9-13,18 Superman’s Girlfriend - Lois Lane 93, 136. Superman v2 05, 07, 17, 118, 156, 165, 173, 661. Superman v1 241 (1971) Superman v1 Annual 11 (1984) Superman - Distant Fires (1998) Superman - Red Son (2003) 1-3. Wonder Woman v1 131 (one panel), 300 (1983) Wonder Woman v2 8, 15, 16, 50, 61, 88, 112, 125, 126, 140, 141, 142, 162, 170-176, 195, 212, 219, 220, 226. Wonder Woman v2 Annual 2 (1989) Wonder Woman - Spirit of Truth (2001). World’s Finest v1 (1971) 204 All-Star Batman and Robin 5 DC Comics Presents 9, 32 (1981), 76. DC - The New Frontier (2004) 1-6. JLA - A League of One (2002). JLA - Midsummer’s Nightmare (1996) 1-3. JLA - Our Worlds at War JLA - Act of God (2001) 1-3. JLA - Created Equal (2000) 1-2. JLA - Riddle of the Beast (2003). Justice League of America v1 1 (1960), 69 (1969), 143 (1977), 170 (1979) Justice League of America v1 Annual 6 (two panels - 1992) JLA v3 83, 96, 101-106. JLA v4 0, 25, 26, 31. Legends of the DCU (2000) 30-32 Trinity (2003) 1-3 JLA - Secret Files and Origins 01. JLA - Seven Caskets. JLA/JSA: Secret Files & Origins 1 (2003) JSA - Thy Kingdom Come 1-3 TPB (2009) (Includes: Kingdom Come Special - The Kingdom (2008)) The Kingdom (1999) 1-2 Kingdom Come (1996) 1-4 The Dark Knight Strikes Again (2002) 1-3 Countdown Presents: The Search for Ray Palmer - Red Son (2008) Teen Titans v3 Annual (2006) 01 JSA 06, 11, 17, 22 New52 Era ———- Action Comics (2014) 31, 34 (one panel). Justice League - Gods and Monsters 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9 Earth2 1 Forever Evil 3, 7 (one panel) Injustice: Gods Among Us - Year One 4, 6, 9, 25, 29. Injustice: Gods Among US - Year Two 4. Injustice: Gods Among Us - Year Three 15, 24. Superman (2011) 14 (one panel), 15, 19, 20 Superman - Doomed 1 (2014). Superman/Wonder Woman (2013-2016) 1-9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 19, 25, 28. Superman/Wonder Woman Annual 2 (2016) Superman/Wonder Woman Futures End (2014) Justice League (2011) 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15 Justice League International Annual 1 (2012) Justice League of America (one panel - 2013) Young Romance 1 (2013) DC Universe vs. Masters of the Universe (2013) 03
Stuff about anti-lust, love, God, and SuperWonder. Love God and love people. ALL people LGBT and otherwise. Matt 22:37-39
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