I love the idea of Dick being all the Batkid's favourite sibling but in violently different fonts.
Jason: Dick and Jay canonically have a pretty solid relationship but i'm partial to the Jason was around for Dick's rebellion stage and so Dick doesn't think he has to worry about the pedestal thing bc Jason has absolutely seen him violently hungover before he was legally allowed to drink font of this
So by the time Jason comes back and is no longer trying to murder Tim (except psychologically) Dick decides... Well he's evil sometimes but also I can finally tell someone all the Titans drama. So him and Jason meet up like once month if they're in the same city and get progressively drunker while shit talking their teams and Bruce.
Also I hate the Dick and Robin!Jason didn't get along. They absolutely did, Dick was like 0.5 seconds away from taking Jason to live with the titans permanently.
Tim: 'Oh Jason is Tims Robin, Oh Dick betrayed Tims trust.' in the name of the orange dude y'all elected twice W R O N G. Tim Drake used to watch VHS tapes of the flying Graysons routine. He wasn't even a batman Stan first. That came after he saw Robin do a quadruple summersault. Tim is a Dick Grayson fanboy first Person second. Like Tim canonically saw Jason die and went lmao skill issue, imagine not being like Dick Grayson i'm better. When Dick first started training him, he'd consistently excuse himself go to the other room, hyperventilate over Dick Grayson teaching him how to train surf. Dick is not just his idol he's also a pretty substantial part of Tim's support system. He calls Dick when he's going through something or is stuck on a case. And he knows that Dick will always have his back. They have like the unrealistic adorable sibling relationships from Tv that don't exist irl. Tim also does that awkward shuffle thing after fights bc they're still siblings and Dick just pretends the fight didn't happen until Tims calm again
Damian: You have to understand Damian thought he'd have to basically do the league all over again. He lands with Bruce and those ideas are soundly rejected and he now has no trust or respect and he has to adjust. And Bruce is doing his holier than thou, you should know better 10yro who literally was brainwashed as a child act, like Tim didn't have to pull him away from straight up becoming a villain and Dick didn't have to put him in his place with his fists a couple times a year (we love Bruce really). Then Bruce gets Time-streamed, Tim runs away and now the circus freak is BATMAN. Except the circus freak is also a sadistic bastard to criminals, despite being made out of marshmallows to you. Dick hangs people upside down off high buildings for information and cackles as Nightwing. He also listens to Damians worries and helps him deconstruct his bias view of the world. Dick canonically set the standard for child heroes and is among one of the most beloved and trusted heroes despite being marshmallowy and refusing to murder people. Dick is kinda like Damians stand in non pretentious moral compass until he learns his own one later on. Hence why Damian adores Dick Grayson more than anyone really.
in summary support my agenda that Dick and Jason are gossipy drinking buddies, Tim absolutely had a Dick Grayson Shrine as a child and Damian calls Dick to double check that he still cannot kill Timothy (its now entirely a joke.... mostly)
Broke: Dick has no degrees and dropped out young
Woke: Dick has like 7 fully completed bachelors bc he keeps taking college courses to keep busy/ learn new skills as nightwing and ends up just having a fuck ton of credits. He simply doesn’t tell Bruce to make Bruce sad that none of his kids have graduated college.
okay so i am genuinely confused as to why we are acting like jason was not angry as robin i mean a big part of his whole character was that he had a strong sense of justice and sometimes went too far joker himself said he was more brutal than the first robin don’t get me wrong he was a sweet kid but taking out the fact that he was still too violent sometimes takes a lot out of his character
Tbh I think it’s a fandom thing
Jason was angry as Robin
But he wasn’t the Angry Robin(tm)
It’s like how people went “oh dick isn’t this dumb himbo who needs Jason to come save him” so then everyone went “he is filled with rage and wants to /can murder everyone with ease he will feel no guilt”
Like people showed evidence that Jason wasn’t this rage filled murderous loser as Robin. Therefore he’s a sweetie pie who never did anything wrong ever.
(However let’s be so real if we are making quick shitposts, then yeah if you wanna make Jason more complicated/ highlight the extreme change he goes through from Robin to redhood it’s just easier to make him the sweetie-pie Robin)
++ THO it’s not all fandoms fault
Jason’s Robin run is arguably the one that goes through the most extreme changes
The flying Todd’s? Where he was diet Grayson
To the tires
To the orphanage to the tires
And so on
So it’s hard to piece together.
++
I think it’s also to do with their relationships to Bruce
-Tim and Dick both chafed under the Bats control and argued with him about it.
- Dicks favorite hobby seems to be calling Bruce out on his shit in various loud and dramatic ways
-tim had the YJ and dick had the titans
-Jason especially post death is more used as this tragic rough around the edges sweetie who disobeys once and gets blown up for his troubles
Anyway that’s my 2 cents I could be entirely wrong here I just go here lol
do you think donna would kind of hold a grudge against jason on dick’s behalf ? like the whole killing people in a nightwing suit and everything
I know that canonically she, Jason and Rayner work together but in my heart of hearts I believe she would. But that’s just believe I believe Donna Troy would have beef with a wall if Dick bumped into it.
+ also Dick and her at least in the various teen titans/ titans runs I’ve read of them together confide in each other insecurities they tell no one else. I think she’d be furious that her boy was put in danger but also the autonomy? And identity issues they share yeah no.
Okay listen there are 5000 timelines so stay with me as I cobble like 10 together for angst reasons.
(My weird fanon x canon take on Dick becoming nightwing)
I am a Bruce kicked Dick out truther
So
Bruce freaks after Dick gets shot and goes ‘this can’t go on’ and Dicks like what?
Bruce decides that Robin is done, Dick can’t be Robin anymore. But Bruce doesn’t have that right, it’s Dicks name! Hell it’s Dick mother’s name for him, Bruce has no right!
Except he does, he made the suit, he made the tools, the schedules, the taught Dick most of what he uses on a day to day basis.
Which means he can take it away.
And he does.
Dick of course doesn’t stand for this, which causes a big argument to get even bigger. Alfred is furious because Dick is still a child, a child who just had a bullet pulled out of his shoulder. Bruce should’ve let the boy rest before starting this argument.
But now that it’s brought up, it’s never going back down, Dick won’t take this loss of control as anything other than a lack of trust that he can handle himself. He won’t see that Bruce is worried for him, that Bruce can’t stand to lose him.
They get into a screaming match and it’s bad, Dick Grayson is one of the few people who get pull Bruce out of callous logic and into cruel rage.
So Bruce says something I’m sure at least 50% of children with tenuous relationships with their parents have heard
“If you don’t like my rules get the hell out of my house” or some various, maybe Dick gets him to yell at him for the first time possibly ever that hot raging anger that makes tears bundle in the corner of your eye. Maybe Bruce’s anger is cold that’s honestly your choice.
But Dick… Dick doesn’t take him all the way seriously and pushes just a tad more, yells one last thing. In a rage, maybe something about his parents, or Batman or this whole fight being Bruce unable let go of the image of a loved one dying by gun.
Well whatever he says..that’s it
Bruce’s voice goes back to the dead Batman growl and he tells Dick it was a mistake to make him robin, leave the suit and drop his keys with Alfred.
Now Bruce is a very intelligent man, Bruce is a very calculated man. You’d think that Mr. Very smart and calculating would realize how that sounds to a young teenage boy.
Especially a young teenage Boy whose first experience with the Gotham was being place in a juvenile detention center and being forced away from a life he knew with people he loves.
But no. Bruce is being an idiot and does not realize that he basically just went.
My house
My stuff
My rules
I made you
If you want to make your own choices you get the fuck out and don’t take anything from me.
Nope doesn’t get that at all
Alfred is horrified because he thinks that Bruce is behaving like a spoilt seven year old (oh if you don’t listen to me you can’t play with my toys)
But he doesn’t say anything, just watches as Dick tries to fit 7-9 years of his life into a backpack.
Watches as Dick leaves all the expensive gifts and allowance money Bruce has given in and only takes the money he got from working summer jobs (it builds character which Alfred is a big fan of) or mowing lawns or tutoring kids.
He needs a place to spend the night but him and babs are on the outs, him and the titans are tight but the closes people to him location wise are not Donna or Wally so he doesn’t feel safe collapsing and sobbing into their arms.
It’s Roy, the closest person to him rn is Roy and him and Roy haven’t gotten over their teenage crush/I must be better than you thing and Dick doesn’t wanna be ridiculed (which Roy would never but our boys in a bad headspace)
All and all it leads to him freaking the fuck out in the pouring rain, but fuck it he doesn’t have time for this. He’s on his own now, fine. Whatever he can do this.
Cue Liu, the boys home and the violent manipulation our boy goes through in canon.
“I thought she loved me but she was using me” and keep the age gap fucked up here for angst purposes later!
And he can’t do this
Fuck that
After that shit show and he’s dismantled her little empire and gotten her arrested… he, like a very logical 16/17 year old. Has a fucking huge panic attack. Huge enough that his heart rate jumps so severely a certain blue boy-scout comes to check on him.
And sees his nephew in the pouring rain, violently dissociating, looking thinner, more worn and dead eyed than Clark’s ever seen him.
Yeah no, that’s not gonna work for Clark.
He takes Dick back to metropolis and we get Clois parent comfort hours.
Lois decides she’s gonna Kill Bruce
Clark decides he’s not gonna stop her
Dick gets better with them, less jumpy.
The comfort of people who’ve loved you since your were a child + regular trips to kanas farms for menial labor jobs around animals and southern cooking. Do wonders for a boy wonder lol.
They do the infamous “have I ever told you about the story of Nightwing and flamebird”
It’s a title freely given and that’s a huge difference.
Dick goes back to the titans, does his lil costume change and new name reveal. And then leads them as well as he always had. Without the pressures of disappointing the bat, I mean he’s already ruined that relationship.
The titans do great work, become a respected team, take a bunch of kids under their wings.
They’re messy, drama filled, mirage still happens, Roy gives in to addiction, Wally has a heart condition. Dicks fighting everyone for the right to marry Kori. He’s still being manipulated by brother blood.
But they make it through.
Kori and Dick aren’t together anymore, they both make the mature choice that they need to heal separately. And maybe if they’re better they’ll try again.
Roy has Lian and with Dick and Wally’s help. Gets his shit together
The titans is an entirely independent organization from the league, Dick Grayson will not take a Dime of Bruce’s their money.
Merch sales, stock trading and tax write offs keep them afloat.
He hasn’t spoken to his Dad since he was 17, he turns 20 a week after Donna dies.
He’s met and helped Jason for 2 years in bludhaven but he doesn’t touch Gotham.
Because that’s Bruce’s.
Bruce gave him Gotham, Bruce gave him Robin, Bruce gave him a family.
So Bruce could take it away
And Dick
Internalizes this SO heavy
The titans can’t touch Bruce, Nightwing can’t trust Bruce, he quits any/every job he land if he finds out they’re so much as using Wayne operating systems. His relationship with Jason is entirely separate from Bruce. So much that, Bruce knows about the hanging over of the Robin suit and literally nothing else.
He doesn’t know about aspen, he doesn’t know they meet up for food once a week, or that they’ve taught each other their mother’s recipes. He doesn’t know that they’re close.
When Batman’s busy, Bruce’s life falls down the list of priorities. Jason’s doing his Robin duties, getting good grades and living his life. Bruce doesn’t need much more.
I need Nightwings early habits to be Dicks full on trauma response to basically being informed that the life he fought for was actually a loan that could be taken away from him.
He buys his childhood circus
He buys his apartment building
He doesn’t involve Bruce when the circus burns or building explodes.
Doesn’t involve Bruce when his relationship crumbles. Or for tarantula/ blockbuster/deathstroke/crutches advice.
Dick Grayson:
*runs the titans*
*works for the league*
*has a day job*
*solo patrols bludhaven*
*solo patrols New York*
*on call 24/7 for regularly scheduled Gotham crisis(es)*
*training at least 40% of new gen heroes at any given moment*
*infiltrating the current annoying cult, corrupt gov, spy organization, company, mafia group, evil underground ancestral foundations of a city and random corrupt modeling industry*
*monitoring drug pedaling in 3 cities*
*emotionally regulating 80% of his family bc why would they do it themselves? Nah let’s just ruin relationships for fun -cough Bruce cough-*
* maintaining civilian cover*
*canonically does volunteer work*
I am beginning to think nightwing doesn’t have anger issues he’s just overstimulated bc wtf
Like Dick take a break what is this?
————
Dick currently working on infiltrating the mob, after 4 days of 6+ hour patrols bc bludhaven has no chill an Arkham breakout, a performance review at work that took too long, organizing a titans outer space mission, just got back from training Jon Kent: no one call me plz god no one call me I can’t do this I have so much work no one. Call me plz
*phone rings* -it’s tim
He could ignore it but last time he left Tim alone for a month the dumbass lost his spleen and decided a cowl was a fashion choice (equally bad in his opinion)
Dick picking up the phone with his non broken arm: yello
Tim: so I accidentally maybe got kidnapped and maybe also started a cult around the concept of Batman and I’m out of energy drinks. (All equally dire in tims opinion)
Dick popping 4 caffeine pills: shut up I’ll be there in 30 don’t DO ANYTHing.
—————
Jason: sooo I might be engaged to an alien princess
Dick about to pop a Xanax: tell me it’s Kori or at least in this galaxy
Jason: nope
Dick: …. Can it wait
Jason: she wants to eat me, their species is like a praying mantis knockoff but with space and mind control.
Dick: yeah okay give me an hour I’ll call raven
————
Damian: hello Richard
Dick: what did you do.
Damian: I have been kidnapped by my mother
Dick: again
Damian: I feel it would be redundant to say anything
Dick: …….. alright I’ll call the nearest flying hero be there in a bit… keep ur spine where it is Damian or I swear to god-
——————
Bruce: cult
Dick who just got done with an undercover mission: anddd?
Bruce: we need someone to infiltrate it
Dick: I swear to god I. will. hurt. you
Bruce: hnnnn
——-
Babs: I have… acquired a child
Dick who is fighting deathstroke : …okayyyy
Babs who is watching the fight: she’s a little bit … traumatized
Dick, dodging a katana: preaching to the choir
Babs: can you do your whole, human empathy and kindness tell me ur life story I have puppy dog eyes.
Dick: ….
Babs: you owe me
Dick: … one day I will delete all your numbers and disappear
Babs cheerfully: you know no matter where you go I can find you hunk wonder see you in 3 hours don’t die before then!
Dick and Kory canon again in 2025 🙏, Starfire and Nightwing together again as a couple 🙏, mom and dad returning to us from war being wonderfully written together 🙏, the absolute best since Ntt 🙏, with beautiful art and lovely dialogue 🙏, we'll see them together in dcu as well 🙏, maybe even a Mar'i mention 🙏
I’m so sorry are we calling the shit with mirage?? And Catalina??? Cheating? Like in NTT when she KIDNAPS Kori and disguises herself as her and then sleeps with him only to reveal it in front of his team to which he vehemently states that he loves Kori.
OR that time with Catalina when he was engaged to babs and she left him to figure herself out and he was forced into sex while having a mental breakdown on a rooftop? Ya know after watching people who mattered to him as well as people who just met him DIE? After sleeping on a fireescape bc his apartment blew up? Where during the scene he desperately apologizes to Catalina and has a full on psychotic breakdown?
OR was it the decanonized wedding story that everyone and their mother has argued stated and agreed is staunchly out of character for him? Oh yeah also even for most of the decanonized stuff he was being mind manipulated by brother blood? Come on?? The raven storyline??? Don’t even start with me
Wanna talk about him being flaky? Fine?
Wanna talk about the fact he’s too stuck to the bats he can’t actually handle the aspects of a relationship and ends up neglecting his partner yeah canon fine
Wanna talk about him being a manipulative shit yeah okay
BUT CHEATING??
Nah fuck offff with that noise
Also I make jokes about Tim being toxic
Bc I am a Steph Stan and YEAH HE WAS
My brother in Christ, what comics are you reading???
I understand the part about defending Tim about being someone who constantly cheats on his partners (I defended him too), but that gratuitous attack on Dick???
And I'm sorry to tell you that Tim wasn't a big fan of Jason-
"read the comics" "people who don't read comics are so annoying" "fans don't even read comics" dude be so fr you're not better at all
"Oh Bruce is a good dad if you think he's a bad dad you don't engage in canon"
YALL BE SO ASTRONOMICALLY FR.
like Bruce loves his weird collection of Bat themed children but ffs he is a C- at best.
AND THIS IS WHY THE
“I need distance from you this is toxic” fics don’t work (I however love them plz send me some)
Because
They will try to murder each other, beat each other bloody, torture each other.
They’ll degrade each other publicly and ruin each others lives
Then they’ll go for a burger together
Bro every time Bruce fucks up Dick sneaks metal blocks into boxing gloves while switching between excitedly whistling and humming “the bat is going down the bat is going down, I smash his face in every place the bat is going down”
Jason stole dicks costume (nightwing this time) and murdered people in New York with it. Risking Dicks at the time only healthy relationship (Clark Kent) then stole back his Robin costume (scaly green short shorts and all) and went to beat to death the other Robin and write shit on the walls in blood
Everything Tim Drake has said to Stephanie brown would get any man punched, bound and publicly whipped. And the shit he said to dick During battle for the cowl??? he was 80% of the way through reanimating John Graysons corpse to tell dick he was disappointed in him throughout that whole arc. And everything that ever happened during the Red Robin run is not only added to shit that we apparently needed in the Geneva convention but assumed it would be common sense and people wouldn’t do it
Damian: tried to kill every
Single
One
Of
His
Siblings
And not only are all of them friendly to each other
Not only do they team up
No no they fucks hang out
Like willingly text each other and go ‘hey let’s get a burger’
I need to talk to people who like the same flavor of batfam dynamics as me. Dysfunctional but loving, maybe to the point the rest of the fandom gives us side eye. I'm talking platonic BD/SM, them overprotective over each other.
Those type of fics of the non con threats without anything actually happening.
Where do I find my people
notes app dick and kory again
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